Respected
and Dear Bent Lorentzen, first of thanks for your comment and appreciation, but
delighted thing is your in-depth studies as reflected in your word about the
Indian Civilization. The caste system is work system, the Theory of Work and
Service. In the Indian System we call it Class 1, 2, 3, and 4 Officials in PCS
(Public Service Commission) is based on the Principles of Karma, the Theory of
Action as you say about the spirit, mind, hands and feet. This very theory has
two aspects:
1. The
Caste based that assumes the genetic science, engineering and medical systems
supporting that we inherit certain traits and skills due to genes,
2. The Action or the Karma based is for those,
who do not belong to caste but are skilled enough to work that people do due to
genetically inherited qualities. This is global or universal in nature as all
works go as it says.
The free
market is shifting of rights and duties to one class that is business or market
also known as Vaish (the Business people who has lot to do with mind) and as
its IT Age, the Technical class that uses hands as you rightly say has joined
together with Business and the left ones are; 1. Researchers (Spirit) and Labor
Class (the Feet).
Now, the
researchers (say inventors) and labor, while looking for cheap labor places and
people, work together and business that we now know has disintegrated (Varna
Sankran) means mixing up of Action Theory which results in great failures like
Global Crises including Financial Recessions, and thus Depressions in general.
Its misuse of Power, Position and Penny according to the Action Theory as I
said idealism seems to fail when it enters into realm (I means spheres or
classes) of realism. The Action Theory is in accordance with the Karma Theory
as Proposed by the Lord Krishna.
The
Karma+Yoga is natural and thus we can call it the Naturalism that embraces
idealism (Gyan Yoga) with realism (Dharma Yoga). The Dharma is natural use of
qualities and properties of anything in nature and thus it is regarded
essential about using natural resources, while combining it with Gyan Yoga, the
idealism and Karma+Yoga, the naturalism.
Its the
Theory of Karma+Yoga that can solve all world or global problems as it embraces
natural laws and principles that support people of all classes based on Action
rather than simply the Caste System as such.
This
Theory was further developed by Lord Buddha based on Aristocracy means
following the Theory of Action and thus the Aristocracy while rejecting the
caste system alone. The caste system is not wrong genetically as RNA and DNA
prove in genetics or medically in general.
The alive
Satan is taken from the Action Theory in which the Creative Intelligence, the
Mann is called either the best friend or worst enemy based on the Actions, the
Karma. In the general prayers, we say save us from the devil that spoils mainly
through company and thus good company or congregation is sought. As all of it influences
the Karma's, thus these very Karma's usually lead to what we receive or reject
from company or similar reasons including the disintegration or integration of
the classes in which one claims class or caste based on advantages on gets
rather than works one knows. The Satan is usually given a label of Kaliyuga in
which Kal is for Machines; and thus the Age of Machines including the
Computers. Kali+Yuga thus means Age of Machines as said before.
King
Ashoka, the Great was from Aristocracy, but Lord Krishna who is his previous
Incarnation appointed or anointed Yudhistra as the King of India based on merit
or Aristocracy setting the real example of Karma+Yoga as there was Guru Vyasa, the
great researchers and scholar, wise ones like Bidur, great soldier like Arjuna,
and above Lord Krishna himself. However, he appointed Yudhitshtra as the King
and spent rest of his life as King of Mathura, a state or kingdom ruled by the
Yudhishtra, the great.
So, India
has always followed Aristocracy, the best form of democracy that was also true
when Lord Rama was the King.
Thus, the
Vedas represent the idealism, realism and naturalism together and we are
thankful to our ancestors for this great and divine wisdom that is practical
even today.
Now, when we consider Beyond Quantum Systems of the Four Categories of the Caste Systems, we also have the Time Duration Systems Based Beyond Caste Systems, which may not follow any caste systems, but rather the Music, Harmonics, Cymatics and other categories, which can go even Beyond DNA-RNA Systems and or the Quantum Systems in general.
Now, when we consider Beyond Quantum Systems of the Four Categories of the Caste Systems, we also have the Time Duration Systems Based Beyond Caste Systems, which may not follow any caste systems, but rather the Music, Harmonics, Cymatics and other categories, which can go even Beyond DNA-RNA Systems and or the Quantum Systems in general.
The above is a reply to discussion at the Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=256265641064145&id=1198146266
Thanks for your time reading it.
The major point in the discussion is by Bent Lorentzen:
"Harmander, I like much in the article you wrote, but feel some things
are being left out, and am not sure how to appropriately address it. So
I'll ask here. Having studied the Vedas deeply, I do understand the
ancient psychological relationship between feet, hands, mind and the
spirit. I'm describing the caste system, which over the thousands of
years of India's social evolution has become a mechanism much like the
European feudal system, reinterpreted a few times after the Industrial
Revolution into our modern global socioeconomic system under the name
"free market," which totally disempowers the average person.
Buddhism was seen by the aristocracy as an afront to the caste system, until the Edicts of Ashoka, a couple of hundred years after Gautama Buddha's death.
The other thing is the use of "Satan" with a capital S, which implies a living entity rather than a state of mind." (It is with thanks from the source mentioned above as a link to the Facebook discussion).
Buddhism was seen by the aristocracy as an afront to the caste system, until the Edicts of Ashoka, a couple of hundred years after Gautama Buddha's death.
The other thing is the use of "Satan" with a capital S, which implies a living entity rather than a state of mind." (It is with thanks from the source mentioned above as a link to the Facebook discussion).
Thanks for your time to read it.
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While "The Karma+Yoga is natural" may work in a society that has historically based its understandings of birth-life-death cyclings from the Vedic perspective, it doesn't work in a global socioeconomic system that capitalizes via "*free* market enterprise" in any way. And it likely has never worked under any social hierarchy outside the theoretical, or strictly spiritual, as expressed through Vedic philosophy.
ReplyDeleteEngendering a caste system based on genetic lineage in our day, and with the horrors that much of history has taught us, I believe is a real danger. And will also come into the clash already in progress within the US and much of the world regarding various takes on ethnic purity, nationalism and religious dogma/fears leading the local and international political agendas. And in that confusion, common sense at the level of social/economic power goes out the door, and people are herded through various fear-mongering.
A convergence or symbiosm of certain eastern, nativistic and western scientific philosophies is necessary for the world to somehow be on the same page as far as basic survival is concerned. We have some major self-created issues roaring down on us through many tens of thousands of years of human enterprise, and especially since the Industrial Revolution. The interaction of various aristocracies and those who accumulate wealth and power, and the vast consumers and workers who support that, is creating a scenario where 3 species of wildlife go extinct each hour (we are in an anthropogenic extinction event), a child dies of hunger every five seconds, and the social impacts of millions climate refugees already in progess.
I honestly believe we need an entirely new "mythology" for what is a human being
Respected and Dear Bent Lorentzen, thanks for your comment; you see it always has been dream of the Kings, Queens and Leaders to create New World Order via all possible means. Why I want to express my opinion is because you are an honest and sincere person. The Karma+Yoga is not just Vedic as many people in the west think.
ReplyDeleteThe word Veda means Wisdom and putting it into practical way. The Karma here does not refer to previous life at all. The Karma means that what works one does as merchant, teacher, soldier, laborer and all other works are more authentic than the caste system. This is because what one does is more important than what one says.
If one does what one says and also says what one does that person is noble. The Sikhism follows the Theory of Karma+Yoga in the name of Kirt, the self-earning, learning or learning and earning by self, the honest life.
The Sikhs, Hindus, and other Indian people who support Indian and Asian Civilizations all over the world follow this theory. I am not a nationalist or fundamentalist kind of person, but a simple person. You see the Capitalism is also a Theory of Action (Karma) for Collecting Money.
Now, the collecting means thinking not on honesty but profits. The Communism, the Theory of Karma of Collecting Money focus only on money.
Now, the Communists claim that there is no God, but do the Capitalists seem to follow that God exists while participating in the New World Order as the most powerful users of military and weapons with many means that Abrahamic doctrines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions) do not allow or support.
It seems both the Capitalists and Communists are same in action Theory of the Karma. The word Yoga is simply in union with nature in a scientific way and also the Karma as I said is the action of union with honesty (dutiful or the Dharma).
These has been put as Six Schools of Philosphy that make Vedas practical wisdom: "Despite their diversity of opinion all schools are united in their belief in a universal law and order (Dharma and Rta) according to which human life must be lived for the well-being of the individual and society." (With thanks from the source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_philosophy)
Some words may seem to have irony and please think on what I mean rather than what words say. Thanks again!
The fonder of Sikhism, Shri Guru Nanak embraced human wisdom that also includes almost all world religions, faiths and philosophies and gave the following message and that also has hidden secert of what people call Antichrist way of NWO: "RAAG AASAA, FIRST MEHL: There are six schools of philosophy, six teachers, and six sets of teachings. But the Teacher of teachers is the One, who appears in so many forms. || 1 || O Baba: that system in which the Praises of the Creator are sung—follow that system; in it rests true greatness. || 1 || Pause || The seconds, minutes and hours, days, weeks and months, and the various seasons originate from the one sun;
ReplyDeleteO Nanak, in just the same way, the many forms originate from the Creator. || 2 || 2 ||" (With thanks from English Translation of
Siri Guru Granth Sahib by Singh Sahib Sant Singh Khalsa, MD
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In it Shri Guru Nanak says that 6 Schools of Philosophy, 6 Teachers and 6 Sets of teachings have one missing point and that is that Teacher of 6 Teachers is ONE. This one God as teacher is ignored there seem so many teachers claiming their philosophies as the best, and that is the irony. He also appreciate nature at the same time. Thanks!